The one sentence that says it all, from the Best buy IW chat

[rudedog]

Taken from the chat log from tonight's Best Buy chat with IW.

Is there a console in the PC version of the game, so we can change our field of view from the xbox's default 65 FOV to 80 also can we tweaks the weapon damage for each gun, removes perks, graphical debris, breathing sway, also thru console like we where able to before or is this all gone?

01:46 Vince-IW :We would like you to play the game the way we designed and balanced it.

That one line says so much in regards to what the PC community can expect from Modern Warfare 2. I wonder what Vince thinks about the past Call of Duty titles where the community has redesigned and rebalanced the game to their needs.

And if that was not enough, less then a week away and the PC version is not even finished. Not sure if this means a zero day patch or what the hell is going on.

02:43 Moriarte
Will there be a multiplayer PC demo shortly after release? The PC community is largely skeptical at best right now and with no ability to trade-in or rent, this is a real gamble for our wallets.
02:43 Vince-IW
No plans for a demo currently. We are still working on finishing the PC game right now (yes, I know... we need to get done!)

Not sure how long this chat log will be up but you can find the full log here

[bullrees]

nvm see there is a link.

[MaydaX]

Highlights

About IWNet / Matchmaking

01:24 xxTex
Can explain how IW.net works for the PC platform?

01:26 Mackey-IW
PC has no common provider of matchmaking like on xbox360, so to have match making on the PC we had to create IW.Net, kind of similar to the match making networks created for RTS games on PC. This was not a trivial undertaking, although it's understandable that these days consumers may take match match making for granted.

02:37 kaRMa
Please give me a direct answer. On the PC version. Are all games hosted by players, and is there a 5 second delay when host migration is in effect?

02:37 Vince-IW
yes.

18 player max (9v9)

01:32 Josh111
PC Question... What will the max amount of players per map be for PC multiplayer on IW.net

01:32 Vince-IW
9v9

01:32 GeneralClean
With the new IW.net, how many players can it support at one time with each server set-up, 8 vs 8, 12 vs 12, 16 vs 16, and how much bandwidth are we talking about per player basis, Upload and Download?

01:33 Mackey-IW
The max number of players on all platforms are 1v1 through 9v9. This is the number of players we focused on when we were balancing map size, perks, classes, challenges, etc.

No console

01:46 Laugh
Is there a console in the PC version of the game, so we can change our field of view from the xbox's default 65 FOV to 80 also can we tweaks the weapon damage for each gun, removes perks, graphical debris, breathing sway, also thru console like we where able to before or is this all gone?

01:46 Vince-IW
We would like you to play the game the way we designed and balanced it.

No Skilled vs newbies anymore?

02:02 Josh111
For the PC.. You guys have said people will be matched by skill.. How is this skill determined? Is it by kill to death ratio or something else?

02:02 Mackey-IW
Well none of the programmers are in the chat today.. so let's just say it's crazy programmer magic. It's a lot more than just K/D though. The important thing is not that all players in a game are the exact same skill, but that the teams are balanced.

No lean

02:03 TheNinthAxis
Is there lean in PC multiplayer.

02:03 Vince-IW
No.

02:34 zach426
What was your guy's logic behind removing the lean feature for PC, a feature that was a mainstay from all of your previous call of duty titles?

02:34 Mackey-IW
The game is not balanced for lean.

Anti-Cheat question response lol

02:25 DudezTY
Since we can not kick people in ranked matches, how will we stop hackers who get past VAC?

02:25 Mackey-IW
Our goal is to ban hackers from the game.

Lack of credits for the mod community

02:44 ViperVenom
What was the inspiration behind the AC-130, Throwing knives, 3rd person and such? Did looking at some of the Cod4 Mods influence any of these?

02:44 Ryan-IW
The inspiration behind so many inclusions to MW2's MP was basically the fun factor. We'll look at something we did in the past and say "Wouldn't it be fun if we *insert blank here*". With MW2 we had the chance to do a lot of just that. We implemented things that at first were very experimental and unbalanced, but through time and hours and weeks of testing and balancing, we came out with something amazing.

No record / demos

02:46 frzg
Is there a /record feature? Answer yes... please. We're trying to give you a 'chance'

02:46 Vince-IW
no

Looks like a DIRECT console port. Dedicated servers won't save this game now.

[Garandx]

LMAO Its still not done and with what 7 Days till SHIP Date. I fully expect to open the box on the 10th and find a little Sticky note with a hand written code for a steam download.


What a Cluster *u*k


No Command Console
No Lean
Max players 18
No Credit to the modding community


The Transformation is complete, IW is now and forever shall be known as a CONSOLE ONLY company.

[MaydaX]

This is what PC gets

Moriarte
Ignoring IW.net, is the PC version a direct port of the console version?

Mackey-IW
No, PC has custom stuff like mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings.

No keyboard support :P

[Garandx]

WOW! Mouse support, Graphics Settings and Text Chat! Features that have existed since Ever. IW = DumbShi*s

[bullrees]

The 9v9 is for your own good you fools...they say so. :P

02:25 GeneralClean
So how can you justify 9 vs 9 at the most on PC when we had 32 vs 32 in COD4?
02:25 Aaron-GS
Please keep in mind that it may take a few minutes for the developers to answer your questions. To help them out, please ask short, concise questions and try to refrain from asking multiple-part questions to be fair to the other participants.
02:26 Mackey-IW
The CoD4 maps were not balanced for 32vs32. In MW2 the entire experience is carefully balanced for a smaller range of players.

[MaydaX]

Balanced = Too lazy to code a proper console port

[69thPaladin]

Just noticed this thread... I posted this in the other one about the same chat.

I think it's pretty clear. IW is done investing in the PC market. The only reason this game is being released on PC at all is because they can take the console game, and port it cheaply as-is, with little changes to what the PC market actually wants. They are trying to maximize their profits with the absolute minimum effort.

It's pretty clear they don't believe it's worth spending the money to make a good PC game anymore.

I just hope Treyarch doesn't follow suit with the next COD game.

[{PST}*Joker]

Nov 10th is just like Sept 11th for me

[bullrees]

Originally Posted by MaydaX

Balanced = Too lazy to code a proper console port

Could be but the code from cod4 is there to copy and mod. This is a decision made from the start not to include it IMO. They don't seem to be backing down from this move that "everyone" views as stupid.

I can't think of anything except they want you to play the console version or nothing so they don't need to code or test for the PC. Less production time and testing for PC hardware and software = PROFIT.

[dixie]

not finished with the pc and they need to get busy.. lol

Rude, I bought my game from walmart right after you made that original post about their deal they had. And gameservers had the pre-order for MW2 servers. I did the pre-order thing they offered. It was amazing even GS had allocated an IP and Port for the install once the game was released.

My god, lots has changed since the day back late august and early september when the hype looked promising.

Those pre-order from Walmart cant cancel so we have to wait for it to be delivered and return it to a local store.

Something tells me to take the still boxed delivery from walmart to the service desk for a refund. Another voice in my head say's wait and install and look at the mess they made of it from curiosity. Guess I still have a few days to decide. As long as I got my receipt and the little return merchandise thing I printed from walmarts website on my account, returning can be done anytime.

My account still says a NOV 16 delivery at my door. Always thought that MOH:Airborne was the most fubared game..... but this thing with IW / Activision and MW2 has to be entitled the KING OF KINGS FAIL.

[FightingScallion]

Originally Posted by {PST}*Joker

Nov 10th is just like Sept 11th for me

That's what the pixellated civilians in the airport are going to be thinking in consoles across the world.

[itse]

{PST}*Joker
Nov 10th is just like Sept 11th for me

oh man, i feel with you m8!

No lean
Quote:
02:03 TheNinthAxis
Is there lean in PC multiplayer.

02:03 Vince-IW
No.

02:34 zach426
What was your guy's logic behind removing the lean feature for PC, a feature that was a mainstay from all of your previous call of duty titles?

02:34 Mackey-IW
The game is not balanced for lean.

this blew it now completely for me! not even dedis can save this game!! thats it! as long as materservers are running, i'll stick to older cod titles and see what treyarch will do now! sad, sad, sad day!

in rock and mods we trust

[Axen]

01:35 toxicinzanity
first id like to say thank you ohh gods of IW for giving me a reason to skip school. i would like to if there will be juggernaugt?

01:38 Ryan-IW
First of all toxicinzanity, you should'nt skip school. Trust us at IW, school is really important! In response to your question, we have a deathstreak called "painkiller" that gives you a few seconds of more health. It really helps when you're getting beat down and it gives you a fighting chance.

They'll never do this again. I'm convinced that the Best Buy moderators are part time high school employees. I almost felt bad for the IW guys - they should have just copy/pasted answers all night, it would have been justified. The closing deal for me: 9v9 - enough said. It's time to let this whole thing go, it's really not worth the effort anymore. Find something to occupy your time until the next best thing comes along.

I'm not sure where this excessive DICE praise is coming from, let's not forget that their last game was console only; the overzealous ball hugging isn't warranted (yet). I invite you all to join me on my Shattered Horizon adventures. I think it will be a nice little game to fill in the gap for awhile. If anyone is interested in going in on a dedicated server, let me know.