MOH BETA Confirmed [Archive]

bullet-worm

05-06-2010, 03:42 PM

Does it mention it is a multiplayer beta? (although I'm not sure why they would need a single player BETA)

I would certainly welcome a multiplayer beta, it would put to rest for me if this is a true Medal of Honor game or a re-skinned Battlefield. I'm guessing this won't be available on Steam though...

I'm buying the game either way, mostly because I am willing to bet the single player will be worth the price of admission. Not willing to place that bet for multiplayer though.

worm

Neil

05-06-2010, 03:50 PM

Long as it's not a pre-order required deal like BC2. Maybe a pre-order only at first but there needs to be a open beta that anyone can join and not be conducted so close to release like BC2.

I am betting on a similar BETA as BC2 where you can get a key through pre-ordering or you can try and get one that is being given away by gaming websites.

MaydaX

05-06-2010, 03:54 PM

I'm buying the game either way, mostly because I am willing to bet the single player will be worth the price of admission.

I won't pay the full price of $59 for a single player game without knowing the details about the MP side. So long as mass numbers buy the broken games, the more unfinished games will be pushed out the door.

When I buy a product from electronics to software I expect a working product for my hard earned cash. Doubt people would buy a new HDTV and have to wait for months to get a software update that enables features you expected to get when you bought it.

Tobi54

05-06-2010, 04:22 PM

Well I think the most important question is whether or not this BETA is for all platforms, I really only care for a PC one but still. I think this information might have come out a bit premature, if I was EA/DICE I would have added the BETA announcement to some sort of interview related to the game, or one of the many MOH blogs on their site, not just at the end of a trailer without any other mention of it.

The other question would be when we can expect the BETA to be released. In my opinion DICE has been doing a great job at keeping the lines of communication open with their community, but I must also mention the fact that it's the developers themselves that are going above and beyond to do so, not their community manager, which I know is not there anymore. I think now would be a good time to start knocking on some doors and start asking some questions, and by this I'm referring specifically to getting in touch with Matt Pruitt, and see what kind of information he is now allowed to share with us regarding the BETA for MOH at least. I know he posted here a few times a couple of months ago, hopefully he still visits the forums. Maybe Rudedog or the guys at BASHandSlash can get in touch with him, to find out how EA/DICE are approaching this BETA.

Wizz

05-06-2010, 04:27 PM

I won't pay the full price of $59 for a single player game without knowing the details about the MP side. So long as mass numbers buy the broken games, the more unfinished games will be pushed out the door.

When I buy a product from electronics to software I expect a working product for my hard earned cash. Doubt people would buy a new HDTV and have to wait for months to get a software update that enables features you expected to get when you bought it.

Bingo and the bolded part is exactly what the deal is. So far this game is a no sell to me until I find out some things

1- do you have to pre-order to get the demo
2- the demo, is it sp or mp or is it a taste of both
3- will this game have public server files
4- what anti cheat will be used

If there will be no public server files and you the user has to rent from a RSP. That means you are totaly locked out form the game. You fools who buys this tripe of "We must protect the intergrity of the game" is just that bullshit. Take a good look at BC2 right now, hackers are coming out of the wood work faster than a 20 dollar hoe on the corner.

EA/Dice better have public server files. If they pull this one again then its a no sell to me. I do not have BC2 and this was one of the main reasons on why I did not go out and buy a 60 dollar consolized game.

Wizz

MaydaX

05-06-2010, 04:48 PM

EA/Dice better have public server files. If they pull this one again then its a no sell to me. I do not have BC2 and this was one of the main reasons on why I did not go out and buy a 60 dollar consolized game.

I was thinking about AA2 and AA3 with honor servers. From what I understand anyone can host a honor server if they are willing to pay. Therefore server files are public for both honor and regular.

For Those Who Have a Server - Plan designed for individuals and Clans that have existing hosted servers and want to make them official Honor servers.

Cost for AA2: $0.00 Setup / $30.00 Monthly Recurring Fee. (You may pre-pay the monthly fee for one year in advance for $300.00, which would then be recurring.)

Cost for AA3: $50.00 Setup / $35.00 Monthly Recurring Fee. (You may pre-pay the monthly fee for one year in advance for $350.00, which would then be recurring.)
https://www.aahonor.com/honor_reg.php

Now the prices are just nuts but the option is there for those who rent their own dedicated boxes. At least they know the boxes isn't crammed full of servers to make more money. AA did "ranked" before BF did while allowing anyone to host a server. If it's hacked who cares, it's stats. Games are hacked and padded anyway so why punish those that want to run their own servers to save some cash.

The problem is stats are treated like social status in real life and that's all people seem to care about. I will take a rank of 1 so long as I get all the unlocks any day. The rank icon in front of your name or the position it is on the leaderboard means shit to me.

Tobi54

05-06-2010, 05:08 PM

Bingo and the bolded part is exactly what the deal is. So far this game is a no sell to me until I find out some things

1- do you have to pre-order to get the demo
2- the demo, is it sp or mp or is it a taste of both
3- will this game have public server files
4- what anti cheat will be used

If there will be no public server files and you the user has to rent from a RSP. That means you are totaly locked out form the game. You fools who buys this tripe of "We must protect the intergrity of the game" is just that bullshit. Take a good look at BC2 right now, hackers are coming out of the wood work faster than a 20 dollar hoe on the corner.

EA/Dice better have public server files. If they pull this one again then its a no sell to me. I do not have BC2 and this was one of the main reasons on why I did not go out and buy a 60 dollar consolized game.

Wizz

I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe that reason for no public server files; It's just their way to control the community for DLC, while at the same time giving them something they want, dedicated servers. This is a middle ground I can live with as long as I don't have to deal with craptastic P2P online play. Let's be honest, the format is changing, I personally don't see any AAA title coming out with public server files, this can still happen with smaller, lesser known developers, but I seriously doubt any game coming from EA, Activision, etc will make these files available.

Punkbuster has been working relatively well on BFBC2, DICE is familiar with it, so it's pretty much a shoe-in for MOH MP, I say relatively well because, yes I have seen the hacking videos on youtube, but personally I have only come across one hacker so far, and I play BC2 quite a bit.

MaydaX

05-06-2010, 06:38 PM

I personally don't see any AAA title coming out with public server files, this can still happen with smaller, lesser known developers, but I seriously doubt any game coming from EA, Activision, etc will make these files available.

I can see CoD Black Ops having public files if it has dedicated servers since they seem to prefer clientside rank.

TRTL

05-06-2010, 09:46 PM

Long as it's not a pre-order required deal like BC2. Maybe a pre-order only at first but there needs to be a open beta that anyone can join and not be conducted so close to release like BC2.
It was not a pre-order only deal, Rude was handing out keys. As for the timing, the beta came out in Jan and the game came out in March. How long of a beta do you need?
When I buy a product from electronics to software I expect a working product for my hard earned cash. Doubt people would buy a new HDTV and have to wait for months to get a software update that enables features you expected to get when you bought it.
Then don't ever buy another video game again. Every COD/MOH/BF game I have played, all had patches. I have never had a patch for my hdtv. Bad example.
I can see CoD Black Ops having public files if it has dedicated servers since they seem to prefer clientside rank.
If they do, the rank system will be a joke just like CODWAW was. I can't tell you how many of my guys lost their ranks to patches, reformat or upgrading os on their pc's. Don't forget the rank up servers. No thanks you can have it.

At least with BFBC2, EA monitors peoples ranks and resets them when they get exploited. So that proves they do worry about the integrity of their ranks system and game. As for cheats, there is not many going on at all and if they do, they get their stats erased and banned. We have only seen a few.

Tobi54

05-06-2010, 10:38 PM

I don't think keeping server files from the public has anything to do with how the stats are handled, and everything with a way to controlling DLC. The players are the ones that care about their stats, and their getting those whether it's client or server side, whereas the developers/publishers care about content delivery, which means complete control of the content of the server.

MaydaX

05-06-2010, 10:48 PM

It was not a pre-order only deal, Rude was handing out keys. As for the timing, the beta came out in Jan and the game came out in March. How long of a beta do you need?

You were not guaranteed a beta copy unless you pre-ordered. Lots of sites gave out keys yes but not everyone got one that wanted in.

I have never had a patch for my hdtv. Bad example.

I think you missed the point, HDTV's aren't pushed out to stores half finished like the newer games are. If they were, people would return them for a full refund or would plain not buy them.

At least with BFBC2, EA monitors peoples ranks and resets them when they get exploited. So that proves they do worry about the integrity of their ranks system and game.

And yet you have a game where every server is the same. Very little variety because it breaks the ROC. CS:S has been around for 6 years and cs even longer. Both never needed global stats or ranked servers to be popular.

As for cheats, there is not many going on at all and if they do, they get their stats erased and banned. We have only seen a few.

Just remember PB alone doesn't do the job. Sites like PBBans play a large factor in keeping BC2 clean. I and a few others have coded PBBans into the powerhouse it is today. What if we leave the PC community, where do you think the cheaters will be when PBBans falls behind.

Sorry for the rant but I can not stand people who think stats need to be protected at all costs.

TRTL

05-07-2010, 12:35 AM

Sorry for the rant but I can not stand people who think stats need to be protected at all costs.
I don't.

As for the rest, we will just have to agree to disagree.

Gunslinger63

05-07-2010, 01:03 AM

Ranks and levels are whats ruining these games for me .MOH and COD both became mega games and didn't have ranks til later and that's when they went to the crapper. If you wanted a mp44 you shot a German and took his, or vice versa. The main objective used to be to just kill the enemy with whatever weapons were available . Nowadays half the people in a server are trying to get ranked up to a particular level instead of playing the main objective. Games used to could be modded and new weapons, gametypes and maps were popping up everyday keeping the games fresh and alive. That's all changed because of dlc. There used to be a time when there were big clans and tons of full servers no matter what fps you were in to. Teamspeaks were full of buds having a grand ole time not worrying about some stupid weapon unlock or vehicle upgrade. You guys that never played MOHAA ,COD1 or CS won't get where I'm coming from and don't understand . Times were great then and that's why we bitch and moan when they pop out a crap game that's no where near what they made in the beginning.

zeroy

05-07-2010, 05:32 AM

More than likely the title suggest to Pre-order now followed by Beta coming soon so i would expect keys to be delivered to those who pre-ordered - much like BC2 with the difference that this beta looks to be coming real soon, leaving a good few months for bug fixing. I'll guess this will be a MP beta indeed, possibly hosted exclusively by EA Servers around the world. Actually it might even be a "closed beta" - with limited seats.

I dont find this to be a real problem since you can always retract a pre-order should you not be satisfied with what you see. I would however prefer EA to start showing us the features/functionalities of the game rather than those "teaser".

As for the rest, we will just have to agree to disagree.

Thats handy! ;) -- Maydax i hear you - I too will continue to voice my disagreement when it comes to the half-finished games we are getting these days!

Ghost Dog

05-07-2010, 05:35 AM

Consoles with their achievements and DLC have ruined pc gaming a long time ago for me.

The only games that I still play are old games, like Project Reality mod for BF2. TF2 is an exception because it was initially developed for pc, then ported to the consoles and not the other way around like most games these days.

I 'm afraid there never will be games as revolutionary as MoH was in its days. Modding has pretty much come to an end, even though there are a few exceptions like ARMA 2.

I will give the beta a try if I get the chance, but if it 's anywhere near CoD or BC2, I 'm out. :salute:

MaydaX

05-07-2010, 07:54 AM

Ranks and levels are whats ruining these games for me .MOH and COD both became mega games and didn't have ranks til later and that's when they went to the crapper.

I have to agree, rank is a nice idea if there is no unlocks and anyone can host a ranked server. I like the idea of tracking my kills, more imporantantly my knife kills :P

But rank and the ROC for BF has created a growing group of people who want to report players and servers to EA at the drop of a hat. It just makes me laugh to see posts on EA about how an admin kicked a player for some reason and the player wants the admin to lose his/her server over it. In other games you get kicked and you find another server end of story.

Rank is a nice addition but games are now being built around rank instead of focusing on creating better gameplay mechanics. CS and CS:S are still highly popular after more than 6 years and they don't have global rank with unlocks etc.

bullet-worm

05-07-2010, 10:22 AM

Ranks and levels are whats ruining these games for me .MOH and COD both became mega games and didn't have ranks til later and that's when they went to the crapper. If you wanted a mp44 you shot a German and took his, or vice versa. ... Games used to could be modded and new weapons, gametypes and maps were popping up everyday keeping the games fresh and alive. That's all changed because of dlc. There used to be a time when there were big clans and tons of full servers no matter what fps you were in to. Teamspeaks were full of buds having a grand ole time not worrying about some stupid weapon unlock or vehicle upgrade. You guys that never played MOHAA ,COD1 or CS won't get where I'm coming from and don't understand . Times were great then and that's why we bitch and moan when they pop out a crap game that's no where near what they made in the beginning.

Winner! I condone this message.

I remember when you could open up the game and play a map or two a day and not have to feel like you are "behind" everyone else because they have stuff "unlocked". This unlock business takes the focus away from pure shooter to some goal that is completely unrelated to the actual game being played, such as "I can't protect the capture point, I am working on my getting my AC130 streak/achievements"

Gone are the days when everyone launched the game with all options available to them from the start, and the game actually required BALANCE to work. These days is seems like balance has been achieved by simply throwing so much crap into the mix that balance issues become murky and less defined.

worm

Misnomer

05-07-2010, 11:23 AM

GaSplat

05-07-2010, 08:54 PM

I just want an actual beta where they fix the bugs we found for them. If that is going to be the case, this beta better hit more than a month before release, because I can guarantee the PC community will find some big ones.
Agreed. Beta in gaming has come to mean "Demo - but with lots of bugs, most of which will still be present when we go gold". The hope is they will patch it, which does seem to have improved some with recent releases.

Tobi54

05-07-2010, 09:01 PM

Agreed. Beta in gaming has come to mean "Demo - but with lots of bugs, most of which will still be present when we go gold". The hope is they will patch it, which does seem to have improved some with recent releases.

This is exactly why now would be a good time to start asking questions to Matt, anyone on twitter willing to give it a shot?

Misnomer

05-08-2010, 12:21 AM

Sadly, I bet there are very few answers they could ever give. The beta is subject to their development schedule. I am willing to bet nothing will meet even internal deadlines up and until the release date. That is just how programming and software work.

Now possibly they will have a good build process where they can rapidly update and patch a beta without using a divergent production path, but given how the BC2 "beta" was done...I would doubt they would take this approach.

zeroy

05-08-2010, 04:54 PM

Sadly, I bet there are very few answers they could ever give.

My bet is there are NONE that they will answer. We have seen it time and time again they tell us stuff when they feel time is right - not based on any of our demands/fears/requests/whatever, sadly.

TRTL

05-10-2010, 12:20 PM

My bet is there are NONE that they will answer. We have seen it time and time again they tell us stuff when they feel time is right - not based on any of our demands/fears/requests/whatever, sadly.

I am not worried so much as to when we receive news, just that when we do it is correct. Not like MW2 when they told us all along it was the same great things we have grown to expect and then a month before release introduce us to IWnet.