Newbie admin question re: sv_maxrate:

[Mfrag-admin]

Newbie question re: sv_maxrate:

I have two cable modems. I am dedicating one to a server. The rate is 5Mbs Down, and 1-1.5Mbs up.

This site has really helped a lot, and I saw the article on calculating
sv_maxrate. But I have not seen any information about what an acceptable sv_maxrate per user is?

What is boils down to is, with 5Mbs down/1Mbs up what is the maximum number of users I can really support. That obviously is based on what is an acceptable "rate per user is" since the
rate is * number of users to get the bandwidth requirements.

Can I run 32 user server at 5000? or do I need to use 10000, so I can only support about 16 users??

(I may be 40, and my two sons (11 and 13 may kick my A**)
but we love to kill one another!

For now the cable option is cost effective since I am not making anything on it all. Depending on how it goes, I either plan on moving forward with a T1 or more as needed, or if it all fails, having myself and my two sons join a clan and contribute $$ towards supporing their server.

Thanks!
:?

[MajorDay]

On my 10 man server i use a maxrate of 2500,and it works just fine,but i think this is the minimum you can set.

I think if you want to run a 32 man server with an upload limit of 1Mbs the maxrate should be 3000, and it should work ok, but if not just reduce the number of players until it does.

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[Mfrag-admin]

On my 10 man server i use a maxrate of 2500,and it works just fine,but i think this is the minimum you can set.

I think if you want to run a 32 man server with an upload limit of 1Mbs the maxrate should be 3000, and it should work ok, but if not just reduce the number of players until it does.

Thanks!

Cool. So if I did the math, 1Mbs / 8 / 32 players = 4000. That should be ok?

The only other concern I have is I am not allowed to be running a server as it is against cable rules. But I figure, since it is going to be running on a port they don't normally scan, and connections will be forwarded from the master server, I wonder if they "can tell".

Since this is a second cable modem for me, my existing connection, with my Son's playing at the same time, and all the other computers in the house going out my first cable connection, PLUS my large updates to my hosted webserver, my first cable modem is very heavily used. I see them scan it all the time on ports, but mostly the "popular ones", like 53, 80, 8080, etc.

With all the servers out there I would imagine many people are running servers, and unlikely to get "nailed" since they are
on ports in the 20,000+ range, which are unlikely to be scanned. And anyway, unless they are a client, they won't get much from an attempt to connect.... Unless they have operators playing COD all night! :lol: I hope...

[Anex]

It is unlikely you'll be able to support a 32 man server with a cable connection. Cable ISPs tend to severely limit your upload ability (my old cable ISP only allowed 1.5MB download but only 99KB upload, with their advanced option supporting 2MB download and only 256 KB upload - I have 5MB up and down with my DSL :P)

Playing on cable servers, regardless of the maxrate, will not be that enjoyable, especially once more the 5 or 6 people join. While the lower sv_maxrate will allow you to better handle more players, the play will still be quit choppy.

I'd suggest lowering your player limit. 8 to 10 is about all cable servers can really handle...and that's at a low maxrate.

[thunderduke]

@major tom

thx from my too!

[Mfrag-admin]

@major tom

thx from my too!


I get 5Mbs Down/1 Mbs up on both Cable Modems fairly sustained.
The DOwnload does vary and go as low as 1.5Mbs, but the upload
has sustained 1Mbs minimum based on my testing using a set of
Sink servers at my office (On Dual DS3's). So I do have the 1Mbs up.

I wish they offered 5Mbs DSL in my area. DSL by Verizon is
764Kbs/128Kbs. Enhanced is 1.5Mbs/764Kbs. They don't offer
SDSL only ADSL, and it is poor as you can see.

Also, the cable line is $50 a month each, and the DSL is $40, $55 for the enhanced. A T1 is $248/month and only gives me 1.54Mbs full duplex.

Is your DSL business DSL? Verizon don't even offer 5Mbs to business, as their cost gets close to a T1 since T1's are so
cheap now for businesses.

If I get the sustained 1.0Mbs up, I would think I should be able to support 32 * 8 * 4000, or even 32 * 8 * 3000. I don't know the dynamics of the engine. I would be disappointed if I had to run
so few. :(

[Anex]

I'm in Canada, different ball game up here :P

With 1Mb up, that is different, you should be able to support 16 to 24 @ 5000, which is much better then 32 @ 4000. CoD plays quite stable @ 5000 so I would choose a lower number server that plays stable, rather then higher that's a little choppy.

32 players at anything lower then 5000 is going to be choppy, regardless of the server connection; 8000 is the preferred setting for Internet traffic (our 24 man server runs completely smooth at that setting).

Anyways, as stated, I'd suggest going with a lower number server and higher maxrate setting; you and your players will enjoy it much more.

[Mfrag-admin]

Thanx Anex! You tha man!

I want the experience to be a good one for all. I will work
on a 24 man.

I am not surprised you stated U were in Canada. I am
in NY, (Long Island, specifically), and I often find both
COD and BHD servers listed in Canada are often the
smoothest, and ping times are more consistant.

Now I know why. As Americans, we get used to getting
less for more. It is the American way.... :cry:

We have to take the bad with the good. As an EE
I deal with huge circuits daily. There is so much bandwidth
capacity untapped, it is amazing, yet home services are
not moving.

As an example:
It cost $1300 for a T1 5 years ago, current cost is about $300/mo
I can get a 45Mbs DS3 from NY to London for about $2800/mo
I can get a OC/3 (155Mbs) from NY to London for about $6800/mo

5 years ago you couldn't even get a OC/3 to London, and that DS3 NY to London was $15,600/mo!

We went from 56K V.90 modems to better, but it is time for DSL providers to offer more to compete with the bandwidth of Cable.

Good news is, just yesterday the FCC, which normally does things wrong all the time, did something right... They just approved allowing power companies in the US to compete in the telecom business. This has been in the works for years, and we are less than a year before we see them offering circuits for business and internet service. That should help increase the bandwidth provided.

A lot of people are happy about this, especially those that are rural and don't have Cable and are too far for DSL... as long as they have lights... they will be able to get power line based internet connectivity soon.

In the meantime there is a big diff here in the US between Cable and DSL providers, but I suspect... not for long...

Thanks again!!

[Cobra]

I would not use less than 5000 in rate.
And if you run 7000 i rate you should be able to run a 16 to 20 man server.
I think i am most of the time under 1 mbit upload on 20 people.

Well i can give you a small rundown on how the Connections are in Norway allso.
For around 220 $ you get a 2.3 mbit sdsl connection.
And a few places in Norway you can get 10 mbit / 10mbit fiber for 50 $ a month, but that is only a few places in Norway.
And the VDSL har just started in Norway now.
There we will get about 12.5 mbit download and 7.5 mbit upload for about 230 $ a month.
I hope i can get the VDSL in about 9 month or so.
Becase i have locked myself to my 2.3 SDSL for 1 year.
But i have goten me a nice price on the connection becase i help my serverprovider with the Gameservers they have in Norway.
So i help them with the cod servers they have and i only pay about 110 $ for 2.3 SDSL.
And the company that i have the connection from do now have 20 servers online games.
And they are soon getting up about 10 more game servers.
So i think we are lucky in Norway that the Internetproviders allso set up a lot of online servers.

That was a litle about Internet connections in Norway
:smile: