We Fixed Sniper "unscope" Feature of new patch..

[MSCSNIPERX]

Fortunate for us, we have a great MOD guru that has already fixed the Sniper UNSCOPE feature forced on us in the New Patch...

We are testing it out on our sniper servers.. Presently you need a mod server AND clientside.. The clientside mods are moded scopes.. currently we have 3 different scopes (all of which are full screen).. work is being done to also mod the "classic" stock scope..


Visit here to get the mod to try..

http://pub147.ezboard.com/fmscwarsfrm17.showMessage?topicID=124.topic

Because this requires a server side mod as well, they will currently only work on our servers which you can try.. at

COD (call of duty) Game Server #1 69.93.88.162:28960--8 slot 2 reserved Sniper Only

COD (call of duty) Game Server #2 69.93.88.162:28960 8 slot 4 reserved Sniper/Mixed


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[Jedi_Pimp]

Fortunate for us, we have a great MOD guru that has already fixed the Sniper UNSCOPE feature forced on us in the New Patch...

We are testing it out on our sniper servers.. Presently you need a mod server AND clientside.. The clientside mods are moded scopes.. currently we have 3 different scopes (all of which are full screen).. work is being done to also mod the "classic" stock scope..


Visit here to get the mod to try..

http://pub147.ezboard.com/fmscwarsfrm17.showMessage?topicID=124.topic

Because this requires a server side mod as well, they will currently only work on our servers which you can try.. at

COD (call of duty) Game Server #1 69.93.88.162:28960--8 slot 2 reserved Sniper Only

COD (call of duty) Game Server #2 69.93.88.162:28960 8 slot 4 reserved Sniper/Mixed


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coool .................NOT

using full screen scopes means cheating to me...bahh

[Sitting_Duck]

At this point since it is a client and server side mod....so for the most part it is not a "cheat." Any further opinions regarding this matter should only be made by the Forum Admin staff. Thankyou.

[thejerk]

I agree that it's not a cheat if the server allows it, but I extremely hope that it's NOT made clientside only.

[Spiceman48]

Thank you for standing up Sitting Duck (no pun intended). It IS appreciated.

There is no mod on the MSC server, which is not available to all players that join. All modifications are announced though public message service to notify players.

The only mod not clientside is of course the Sniper Rifle, but the message service notifies all players that scopes are available for downloading. There will be several types offered in a few day's. Full screen, partial full screen and stock. Scopes are the work of various authors and are all publicly offered throughout many sites, and will include all credit for the original Authors.

If you don't like Sniper servers.. well .. cool, peace be with you. Negative comments are neither required nor desired. MSC is a mature clan base who's only purpose is to have some fun, meet some new faces that enjoy the same thing, and above all make it as fair and fun as we possibly can. Can't tell you how many hours MSC Admin have devoted towards that goal.

If you are an Admin, server host, like Realism, all weapons, tactical player ... or any other not mentioned.. I think that's GREAT!!! I applaud you for your efforts in doing something that is fun for you and the friends you've made. Although I wouldn't have fun in a server set up like that, I wouldn't flame you for running one or deny you the right to run your server the way you like.

[MSCSNIPERX]

This is Server SIDE AND clientside mod.. NOT a Server SIDE mod only!!

This is a workaround the sniper unscope mod IW did in their recent patch.. One of the frustrations of their patch, is the workaround needs a client side mod in addition to the Server side mod..

We are working on getting other scope's "patched" as well so they will work with the server side mod.. The 3 we have available at this moment happen to be 3 custom full screen scopes..

So far, things look pretty good.. if people are interested in this (I think they are) we will release the Serve SIDE mod needed so others can run the SCOPE FIX...

Again the purpose of this .. is to remove the unzoom mod created by the patch.. We use both a server and clienside patch..


This is NOT a cheat.. DOES NOT work only clientside..

Now, if we can move on please..


If Host's find this mod usefull we will release it for thier enjoyement...

[Jedi_Pimp]

now since its both client and server side then ok since all players play it the same way !!

anyways full screen scopes is lame IMO and thats my opinon only ..no need to get cocky about it !!!!

[Pat]

Sounds nice this mod. but i think scoping out between the shots makes it more realistic and give the game a extra bite. it also forces the sniper to do what he is intended to do 1 shot 1 kill and move one. i been a sniper for a long time now from the first days on mohaa (even been in ur clan [MSC]y Slayer) and now in call of duty. this new sniper thing scoping out between shots brings out the best in me cause i takes more work to fire a a shot. its a shame that lots of peeps dont like it even in my clan :( .
and for the full screen scopes they been arround so long i dont like e'm but loads use e'm. there useless now anyway cause u have to scope out between shots :)



Pat, Dutch Delta Force

[JaMie]

technically it is a cheat because anybody who comes on your server without the client side is at a disadvantage to people with the client as they will be unscoping to reload :clap:

[thejerk]

Unless the server has autodownload enabled and an in-game message telling people to turn on autoDL. Even still, I wouldn't call it a cheat if the server's policy is to allow it and this mod is needed on the server to work. Can't say that I like it, but as Sniper and Spice said (in a nutshell), different strokes for different folks. I would probably stay away from their server, and they would probably also stay away from the servers I play on.

[Hammer]

Aside from the scope-glitch (known) bug, what was wrong with the 1.2 scope???? It was perfect, made for a more enjoyable game IMO. It's amazing what people will go through just to get an advantage in a game! :x( :dis:

[Spiceman48]

It's amazing what people will go through just to get an advantage in a game!

Of all people Hammer, I thought you would have read and understood the complete thread. (No flame intended). Again, I say ... the modded scopes are scopes that were found thoughout the community (Including this site)... offered for anyone that wishes to use them. I am as unconcerned now, as I was with Mohaa, with what type of scope a player uses. The modded scopes "WILL NOT WORK" on any other server. The scopes are to be used in combination with a mod on "OUR" server. If one doesn’t have the mod on their server .. the modded scope will not work elsewhere.

Also stated above .. was that "Players are notified by Broadcast" messages as well as clan members, that the scopes are available, and where to download them. AT NO TIME, will our server EVER, try to take advantage of any guest or player by creating a situation that causes an unfair advantage.

Our server is designed to be played as an alternative to Realism. If Realism is what you enjoy TARIFFIC!!! I think that's great; also appreciate your contributions to that community as well. But again, as I said above I don't refuse you your right to play as you wish. This includes not insulting your work to further efforts to modify the game to your liking, be it scripts, weapons modifications or even a sound mod if that is your flavor.

The post was NOT originated to seek endorsements or personal opinions. But it does suggest that anything is possible when talented people (you included), open it up and dare to create a situation other than what the creator had published. The topic was posted to notify others that "if" there was enough interest, we would share the information to those interested.

Note: Rudedog, this was not intended as a flame fest or for the purpose of argument.
Respect included.

[MSCSNIPERX]

Hey, to each thier own Hammer.. I was just letting people know we found a way to UNDO the ZOOMOUT feature ADDED by IW's Patch.

Since they effectively MODED the sniper scope in this patch I thought some would be interested in a fix seeing how alot of players (snipers) were upset with added zoomout after fire.

True the scopes we have right now that work with this mod are full screen but they are nothing new that wasn't available to all before the patch.. we are working on adding more scopes including the stock scope to our list of moded scopes to REMOVE the added UNSCOPE feature in the IW patch.

This is not meant as an advantage just a preference.. BTW we run mostly sniper only servers so we all use the snipers anyway..

I think it's a shame someone offering something nice to the community only receives negative coments.. :? I guese next time we won't bother..

[Hammer]

Fortunate for us, we have a great MOD guru that has already fixed the Sniper UNSCOPE feature forced on us in the New Patch...


I'm not flaming anyone, just voicing my opinion based on the above and the title on this thread. To say that you've fixed something that the vendor has had to correct because they considered it BROKEN is wrong. Having the "unscope" feature adds an interesting twist to using a sniper: it makes it harder to be good at it. Before ANYONE could snipe since it was so easy, with 1.2 only those folks that really are patient will become proficient with the weapon .... just like in real life. IMO, this makes the game a lot more enjoyable and challenging!

[MSCSNIPERX]

just like in real life. IMO, this makes the game a lot more enjoyable and challenging!


I assume you are a realism fan from your posts. It's a video game.. I like realism but prefer a balance enough to give immersion while maintaining some fun.. I pretty much go with the flow on this, and the Snipers who play on my servers ,and do sniper only, it was overwhelmingly unanimous hated the new unscope feature.... If the majority of players enjoyed the unscope feature we probably would have gone with that..

I can appreciate that if you are into "realism" mods or an SMG'er you would want the NEW unscope feature.. Iv played both SMG and SNIPER though and its funny IMO how you can compare spraying and praying an (SMG) tactical while a COD sniping with-- a narrow peep site, a cheesy drifting scope, an unzoom feature, and a relocation upon zoom all just add to the JOY of SNIPING and tactical realism. (scratches head)


You can certainly claim IW meant for the Unscope feature to be in from the start.. but I read it differently.. They mentioned this unscope MOD beforehand as to address the people that wanted sniping to be harder or just didn't want snipers messing up their run/gun game.. Also COD has been out long enough (MONTHS) that the additional unscope feature is seen as an alteration of the original game... hence my mentioning we found a "FIX" to undue their forced MOD.. I called it a FIX because it was not easily UNDONE ... I suppose if it was an easy cvar server side option I would not call it a "FIX" but since you want to split hairs, this is why I called it a "FIX"..

It's really about FUN.. that’s the bottom line and that’s what matters.. if that's what snipers find FUN/Fair.. then by god that’s what I'll do on my servers. :!:

[AADiC]

I also agree it isn't a fix, it is a MOD. By MSC's definition all MODS are actually fixs to one level or another.

I don't think the "If you want realism go join the Army" discussion is what is being said, but if it is, drop it.

Like somebody said above "Different strokes for different folks. I love realism, PoolMasters MOD is awesome, I can shoot the gun out of your hands, you can bleed to death, if I shoot you in the leg you can drop to knees or prone.

Anyways, I also feel the "Full field" zoom is not right, but some folks will like it because it will make the game alot easier for them.

Great discussion lets keep it going in that direction. It is so nice to come Admin/Mod this forum after dealing with IWN folks :D

[MSCSNIPERX]

Hi again,

My intention here certainly wasn't to define mods, fixes, patches I’m not sure how I got caught up on that tangent, haha..

Did we fix the IW mod, patch their fix, mod their patch? --Lewis Carol save me!

All I know is our MOD Manager created a client & server side "SOLUTION" (both are needed to work) to undue the IW patch's unzoom feature and return it to the way it was pre patch.

Honestly though, iv seen so many forums just disintegrate into the most trite details about this being good that being bad etc.. I sincerely would like to refrain from such discussions.. I think everyone has their own tastes .. and what makes online gamming fun.. Something for everyone.. I am not interested in debates on what I like Vs. someone else.. but I really do wish the best for others that may have a different interest. I do it all for fun.. and iv been running servers since Half life, start to end of moh, and start of COD..all bearing the unique concepts of extreme sniping which is not for everyone...

The sniper weapon setup on a sniper only server can be made much "quicker" and precise without sacraficing fairnes as it may in an all weapons server... I run mainly sniper only servers so can use such mods and always be fair..

Time/Time again it's the talent of modders that impresses me and while I support developers creations and work, I know the nature based on an interest of money/profit (said respectfully) and modders/hosts work for the fun of it.. So when push comes to shove.. I think about the modders interest and flexibility.. and yet show a business attitude respect to the developers..

[Spiceman48]

Thank you AADiC and that's why I was trying not to sound aggressive and taking measures to insure that my posts were not seen as inflammatory.

Into the point, the thread started out with an offer, that should there be any interest, the author may be willing to share it with the community. Due to the hundreds of negative posts regarding this matter, it was a gesture to those that didn't like the way IW changed the dynamics of the game we've been playing for several months now.

IW fixed, what they interpreted as being something broke by definition of the many people that didn't care for the accuracy or authenticity of the sniper rifle out of the box. We fixed their fix, by creating a mod that changed it back to the way it was, and the way we got used to it.

Unfortunately, the only way to fix this was of course to create a mod that only worked via server and client side. Regrettable, but IW gave us no choice.

Our intentions were not to populate our servers; we do that very well with just ourselves. We invite anyone with an interest in the mod to join the server and observe it for themselves, to see if it's something they would like to do for their servers. We should have the stock scope modded and ready for download by this weekend. And again, unfortunately, the client would have to remove that scope should he/she join any other server. The "modded" portion of the scope only works on a server with the client side addition.

If your not interested.. no harm no foul. I look forward to seeing some great work (as I have already) by other modders, Love the top notch blood mods out there, quality scope work by several and not forgetting the wonderful Menu by Holy Moses. Who knows, maybe one day I'll get into the realism stuff, and enjoy some of the great stuff those modders have created? :clap:

[CRACKHO]

I am going to add this to our downloads section on www.patchgonebad.com.

I saw your screenshots of the sniper rifle on Ezboard, and I have to say...it's awesome, great work.

[Spiceman48]

The first two I believe belong to MPSH with all cudo's being directed to him and his excellant work. The third belongs to Sniper X MSC Owner/Host. You can find those in a couple of threads down form the post where you see the one screen shot, in the COD discussion forum.

Modifications to those scopes were to allow guest to compete on the server in equal terms.

Again, there will be more scopes added, and those scopes are freely available at various COD sites (unmodified). It is very important to us that the original modders name be maintained in the scopes. Please Note: these scopes do not work as originally designed by the author, on other servers. They are modified to co-exist with a server side mod to counter IW's patch on unscoping while rechambering on the MSC Server.

As a side note, I noticed a thread in another COD forum that a couple of leagues have also modded their server to counter this IW sniper scope "Fix". It's really just a matter of choice, that I defend, not weather one approves or dissaproves.