Medal of Honor Dedicated server rentals

[rudedog]

I wanted to make sure everyone understands the news post below.


If EA is not releasing the dedicated game server out of the box and we have to wait until the week of the 17th, then GSPs may not be able to rent servers unless they rent listening servers - which will require a good video card..A listening server is a server that you run from within the game. So the game has to start before you can start the server. This means the rental companies need servers running windows XP or Vista , with a supported graphics card.
This is a lot of overhead for GSPs thus we may not see many renting the game until the first patch.

Just wanted to clear that up before I'm back on a plane in a couple hours.

Update: It also looks like the server out of the box will only support 12 playes.

Blackhat posted over at TA the following:
Regarding the number of players - we're still consistently working on it, but we can't release anything until it's all working and updated. For example, in addition to simply allowing more players in, we need to adjust any score, team, and stat screens to accommodate more players. Once all that's done, and we test it, then we can release things to more players. Be assured, though, that it IS something we're actively pursuing. We know you guys want more, and we want to give it to you.

All that said, give it a go first the way it is now. You might be surprised. We have plenty of fun around here playing with the current settings.
Link (http://medalofhonor.totalgamingnetwork.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10797&postcount=11)

[TSI_Destroyer_NL]

basicly what BH is saying play the game as it is maybe some new contend wil come in the future! lol im laughing out loud behind my PC cause this really feels like a Deja vu we have been here before and it feels exacly the same.

but on topic 12 player supoort from EA my question is how can GSP stil sell servers more then 12 players?i know in my own environment some Moh clans orderd 32 or 28 slot Moh Airborne servers i think the next few weeks are going to be very interesting.

[Wizz]

basicly what BH is saying play the game as it is maybe some new contend wil come in the future! lol im laughing out loud behind my PC cause this really feels like a Deja vu we have been here before and it feels exacly the same.

but on topic 12 player supoort from EA my question is how can GSP stil sell servers more then 12 players?i know in my own environment some Moh clans orderd 32 or 28 slot Moh Airborne servers i think the next few weeks are going to be very interesting.

Exactly, it sure will be interesting.

12 frigging players......EA get real. To have only 12 players and then the other stuff that is mentioned makes this game smell of nothing but a CONSOLE.

All I have to say is does Pacific Assult ring any bells...........................

EDIT:

If this game will only support 12 players tell us all on how BIG the maps are.

[rudedog]

Also note another issue for GSPs.

By running a listening server, you need the DVD/CD in the drive so the DVD/CD check can take place.

Until a no CD/DVD crack is released.

[Ghost-Ryder]

Pretty sad 3 days before release.

[Busterking]

I'm sure I'm not the only one surprised by this news.

I'm sure Rudedog is bitting his tongue right now.

Over one year to get it right. Well EA, next time ask 3 years ahead for admins input. Maybe you'll get it right.

[valhallaweaser31]

yeah 12 players is insane the maps better be small because i hate running a mile in a game just to find someone to kill, looks like EA is off to a really bad start to this game. Death to consoles

[rudedog]

I hate to throw more gas on the fire.

I've just sent Blackhat an email asking for clarification on, how this patch will work.

Meaning, we get the game around the 5th, without ded server support. However we'll need a couple days with a very fast connection to our remote servers. We can start the upload process (which is good) but will this first patch be the server and local type patch we where told about or will we have to patch our local copy and then reupload the fixes?

I would hate to upload 7 gigs of files only to have to upload them again because they touched most of if not all the larger files.

[Diva]

this is really fustrating, look at all the things the activision guys are doing with the CoD4 coming out - bringing back all the old gametypes plus more, redirect, they are even thinking mod tools et... these guys are going about it right. Isnt that where the original mohaa guys went to activision? if i heard right.

EA should of learned from their PA mistakes just looks they are going even farther backwards then PA, at least PA had a demo of multiplayer and ready to go out of the box. This game is going to sink sorry but thats my thought and CoD4 is going to take it over in sales for the MP crowd.

[payableondeath]

If EA is not releasing the dedicated game server out of the box and we have to wait until the week of the 17th, then GSPs may not be able to rent servers unless they rent listening servers - which will require a good video card..A listening server is a server that you run from within the game. So the game has to start before you can start the server. This mans the rental companies need servers running windows XP or Vista , with a supported graphics card.
This is a lot of overhead for GSPs thus we may not see many renting the game until the first patch.


Well looks like EA just killed airborne then, how many GSP's will have gaming pc's sat in a data centre running as a server, i bet almost 0
not only that but i bet the game will only allow you to run 1 game per pc, so for every customer that orders airborne your going to need a dedi with supported graphics card, either no GSP's will host it or the price of renting a server will be more than what clans can afford

Nice one yet again EA

[rudedog]

Well looks like EA just killed airborne then, how many GSP's will have gaming pc's sat in a data centre running as a server, i bet almost 0
not only that but i bet the game will only allow you to run 1 game per pc, so for every customer that orders airborne your going to need a dedi with supported graphics card, either no GSP's will host it or the price of renting a server will be more than what clans can afford

Nice one yet again EA

Please remember and note, that this will change once the patch is released around the 17th.

This is also why I made a big stink at the summit and in my preview, which did not go over well with EA. Thus I'm not helping them field test the MP side of the game like the rest of the PC summit guys are currently doing.

Don't forget having the DVD in the box while the game is running.

[Timber]

Update: It also looks like the server out of the box will only support 12 playes.



But there saying the numbers of players able to play will increase with the patch right. Or I'm not reading this right.

[rudedog]

correct, once the patch which enables the dedicated server is released (around sept 17th) the client number is increased to 16.

Hopefully they we can get up to 32 but we will have to wait and see.

Listening servers max out at 12 (same as console)
Dedicated servers (full install) max out at 16

[InfinityDevils]

LMAO do the developers live on another planet, do they know how to read ? What was this fourms purpose to begin with because it sure seems to me that it was simply smoke and mirrors and nothing but BS and a complete waste of everyone's time that has posted for the last year here for this title ! This is very dissapointing to say the least, instead of "getting it right" from the get-go they are going to be playing catch-up to be status quo ? EA you are too F'ing much !! Now instead of getting excited about the release, I am now questioning myself in asking do I even want to get myself and my team even involved with this circus act.

NOTE TO BLACKHAT : For future reference, If you come into a gaming admin fourm or any others like it and request people to take their VALUABLE time to post what they would like to see incorporated into the game to make it better then maybe you might just wanna ACTUALLY USE IT !

BlackHat, you also might wanna get a napkin cause you have egg all over your're face right now !!!

As someone said earlier, CoD 4 is looking really nice, and looks to be more gamer and admin friendly than MoH: Airboring will be !

GAME OVER...

[robert]

Sigh... this is going to be fun.

Having a software development background, it's really hard for me to imagine that they made a scoreboard etc. that only allows listing scores of a predefined amount (12, in this case) of players. Why? So they can do a 'find and replace in files' and increment 12 to 16 (or whatever) when they feel like it?

Why is it limited anyhow? Why is it not possible (like in other games) to have as many players as the admin desires (of course with the notice that they do not recommend more than 'x' player slots)? I may sound pessimistic, but if the MP game code has these kind of limitations, what else will we run into?

Could it be that the limitation of the number of players has to do with a limitation of the netcode itself instead of limitations in the current front end coding? All other recent games that had these kind of player limitations had this because it maxed out the datatraffic and CPU usage (Stalker, Call of Juarez, Prey, etc). Funny enough, these were games that were focused on singleplayer and had MP built in after demands of its respectively communities.

Ah well, we'll see. Of course we would love to host this game for our customers, but a little bit more help from EA wouldn't be a luxury.

[theMechanic]

Well, this explains why BH hasn't said shit about anything, just the usual "when i know and can confirm it, ill tell you" shpiel.

The game is in warehouses, he knew days ago what is and isn't, so, they send PG out to tell the good/bad news instead.

The a-holes should'nt ship until the dedicated server is included, i have kept my optimism on med-high until now.
Went right past med-low to low in one article.

[Wizz]

Does it smell like console right now. Sorry guys and girls but damn. Seems that the pc side was a after thought and consoles got all the goodies again.

[Ghost-Ryder]

Don't blame BH he is just the middle man.
He has no say at all what will be in or not.
He ask everybody a year ago with the best of intentions.
All he can do and did bring everything to the devs attention.

As in Admin my self I am very disapointed with EA so far.A year a go I would have bought the game in a sec right now is more like 30%.
The only good news for everybody is all the good games coming out in the next few month.

[InfinityDevils]

Don't blame BH he is just the middle man.
He has no say at all what will be in or not.
He ask everybody a year ago with the best of intentions.
All he can do and did bring everything to the devs attention.


Sorry Ghost-Ryder, he gets paid by EA, so therefore to me and my team he is EA! Yes I blame him and everyone working or promoting this game, sorry but when he signed on at EA (he gets a paycheck) for good and bad, he is the one bringing forth the news or lack there of to us, therefore EA's whipping boy. What you should be questioning is if he brought anything to them at all because the game seems pretty hollow to me the closer to launch we get and excuses seem to be flowing pretty fast now. I went back and read all the DEDICATED threads for this title and there were many GREAT things that SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLIMENTED from them, yet were NOT! Why waste peoples time if you are not gonna use the information and put it to good use, hell yeah I am pissed, its like you have been talking to someone for a year and you finally find out they are DEAF !!!

I mean if you are going to make CONSOLE games, fine but don't say they will be pc friendly with a mere 12 or 16 max players, thats laughable. That in my opinion seperates console gaming from PC gaming with PC gaming being the "better experience" by having more players in MP mode and dedicated servers to run the games.

MINIMUM 24 players...that should be rock bottom low with todays FPS MP gaming.

Maybe EA should take a tip from Activision CoD4 402

402 Quote: " I feel confident saying that the PC version of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare has been fully tailored by the feedback of the PC community. I think that's really going to show come November 5th and before when the demo hits. Everything from plenty of options for the player and server-side admins to turn on / off features, to the inclusion of popular suggestions like Hardcore Mode, slimming down the hud even when not in Hardcore, Half-time mode for objective gametypes, anti-cheat out of box, and even looking into ways to take control back from hackers / cheaters who get through anti-cheat."

I will bet money they will be offering out of box minimum 24 players !!!

Its like waste your time posting and then when released you find nothing put to use and then they want to charge $49.99 or whatever for it ? Give me a break hahahahaha !!! Thats funny....NOT !

[theMechanic]

Don't blame BH he is just the middle man.
He has no say at all what will be in or not.
He ask everybody a year ago with the best of intentions.
All he can do and did bring everything to the devs attention.

Thats not what i'm saying. His reply to any inquiries has been "when i know, ill tell you"
Well, the game is sitting in warehouses and distribution centers waiting to hit shelves, the content is done, it is what it is and can't be changed.
Being so, he KNOWS whats what and what isn't and has'nt said a word to us here who just happen to be all server admins.
If their site was'nt such a pos i could login there and tell him and EA to kiss my ***
for having to dig all the websites for scraps of info because he has'nt said shit.
As a matter of fact, i remember him saying he'd inform us in plenty of time to prepare setting up for servers and so on so we could work out all the little details amongst ourselves.......waiting.

[Timber]

Why not wait to buy the game till after the patch come out. See if they give us some of the things we asked for. This way it saves everybody a little money, and it sends a message to EA that we're not going to stand for there lies. I'm going to wait, I have enough Game sitting on the shelf (SH,BT,PA) collecting dust. JUST DON'T BUY IT, LETS SEE WHAT THEY GIVE US FIRST!

[rudedog]

That is my recommendation, wait for the first patch or two (MS effect) before buying.

However this is a double edged sword, if no one buys the game, then I have a feeling they will drop support. I really hope this is not the case...

Chatting with Matt over at PMOH, off the top of my head I just came up with 2 or 3 things that could delay our dedicated server patch.
1) Major show stoppers out of the box = patch that first then get around to our dedicated files
2) lack of sale out of the game = patch that first then get around to our dedicated files
3) what happens if they find an xbox 360 issue, I bet they pull everyone and get that out first, delaying our patch.= patch that first then get around to our dedicated files

No one thinks of these things along with all the issues GSPs have running servers on day one. I should go work for EA! They need to get a clue and this is my damn hobby, I don't get paid for this shit.

[Diva]

I am waiting for the patch to come out I am not a single player person when it comes to FPS type games (with the exeption of Doom3/HL2) so if I personally bought it now and then never saw a patch it would be worthless. I am still waiting on patches on other EA game titles. BF2142 still never saw another patch on that one yet either.

Who knows maybe in a couple weeks also there may be a sale on it anyways. heheh.

[InfinityDevils]

That is my recommendation, wait for the first patch or two (MS effect) before buying.

However this is a double edged sword, if no one buys the game, then I have a feeling they will drop support. I really hope this is not the case...

Chatting with Matt over at PMOH, off the top of my head I just came up with 2 or 3 things that could delay our dedicated server patch.
1) Major show stoppers out of the box = patch that first then get around to our dedicated files
2) lack of sale out of the game = patch that first then get around to our dedicated files
3) what happens if they find an xbox 360 issue, I bet they pull everyone and get that out first, delaying our patch.= patch that first then get around to our dedicated files

No one thinks of these things along with all the issues GSPs have running servers on day one. I should go work for EA! They need to get a clue and this is my damn hobby, I don't get paid for this shit.


I find no fault with your recomendations, however what is missing in that equation is PATCH DATES, we know of one server patch to take it up to 16 players WoW imagine 16 players, what a joke!! But not much else after that, who knows when that will be and by then possibly CoD4 will be on the market and then MoH:AB is doomed for sure unless EA gets their cumulative shit together NOW ! I am sorry but this sure stinks like Pacific Assault all over again regardless of their attempt at creating a great title because this game to me and my team has has taken so much FLAK that its dropping out of our skies and appears so far to be crashing and burning and dropping off our radar....way to f up another one EA !!!

[Ghost Dog]

So basically what they want us to do is buy an unfinished game... hmm that 's so un-EA :rolleyes: . Then they expect us to trust them on patching it? ... roflol doesn't get any better than this.

Seriously guys, did you really expect EA to change? All they did was change their marketing methods...

[valhallaweaser31]

who the hell would want to play this game on a console , pc has so many advantages to it, ever play a fps with a analog stick , what a joke ,mouse and keyboard for the win , EA we are here for a reason , i already preordered my game but from what i am reading this game might be a quick return since it seems like EA screwed the PC guys. Just remember your roots EA medal of honor started on a PC not a crappy limited console so listen to us. We made this sries what it is today not the console fanboys.

We finally get a good server tool and we will only have 12 players to manage lol amazing