PC Airborne Multiplayer Server Sizes ?

[InfinityDevils]

I have read that x-box 360 server sizes will be limited to 12 players 6vs6, but what are the PC server sizes going to be ? Does anyone know ? The reason I ask is because, if they limit server sizes to 12 then this game is doomed from the start and maybe its not all I am hoping it will be. :confused:

I understand that they are having issues with mouse lag among other things in multi-player just as they did in Pacific Assault, I hope to god they don't screw this up like they did PA !:mad:

[rudedog]

We're all waiting on information regarding the server side of Airborne.

[InfinityDevils]

Thanks Rudedog :salute: I figured if anyone knew FPSAdmin would know!

[rudedog]

LOL I don't think so anymore..... However I digress.

PMOH was able to get another hands on with some updated info.

Dedicated server running, they where playing 16 players (8v8). For more info you should head on over to PMOH, they have the latest info.

[Timber]

That's Bull what BH dong rudedog. More people come here for game and admin info.

[Zepplin]

From PMOH -

Several stock options have been added for administrators, a custom interface is available for launching the server, and the ability to remotely connect is also there. The dedicated server we were playing on also held 16 people, which is four more than the previous 12. The team is still working and testing to get that number up even higher. Server administrators will also be happy to know that Linux binaries should be available close to launch, if not at launch.

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It's disappointing that BH isn't giving the FPSAdmin community the feedback and support that it deserves.

Regardless of who said what, after all FPSAdmin has to be the most informative site for FPS Game Admins & Gamers first hand.

FPSAdmin has been supporting the gaming community at large for years and RudeDog has been bringing first release first hand NEWS to the masses the very moment it's available as he finds it to everyones benefit!

That sure is dedication on his part and the enormous amount of personal hours given freely to help others is outstanding.

I for one congratulate RudeDog for doing so.

All the best RudeDog. :salute:

- Zepp

[rudedog]

Thanks for the kind words guys.

[InfinityDevils]

I must have missed something because I am a bit puzzled but I think I am starting to get the picture. I am gathering you (Rudedog) were a bit critical of MoH:AB and instead of replying to your observations, BH simply stopped giving you info, which in turn prevents you giving us info ?

If thats the case BH you should be ashamed of yourself, for almost a year now this fourm gave you valuable info to bring back to MoH:AB and now because your product has glitches and problems and is being given deserved criticism you stop giving info ? Thats really sad !!!

My team of 40 members depends on me to decide what games we play and compete at, so I have the responsibility to make sure it is not money wasted. I applaud you Rudedog for what your site FPSAdmin give's us in this fourm and I appeal to you to not stop giving us the TRUTH wether the developers like it or not. I have waited a long time for the MoH series to come back to what it once was long ago with MoH:AA, and my team still plays it because it was fun and because it took some skill to play. I however won't give my team the go ahead as I did with Pacific Assault because it sadly was not fit to be sold to begin with, and when sold it couldn't even be played. That was a total JOKE!

BH if you bother to read this "shame on you", whats a matter you can't take a bit of constructive criticism when deserved ? The company you are fronting screwed us gamers a few times and without the support of sites like this one people would not know the TRUTH !

Keep up the great work FPSAdmin and you too Rudedog, myself and my team applaud you for what you take the time to do here daily !

Thank YOU

Devils

[ButchCassidy]

What on earth is going on?

Surely BH is big enough to accept that the game was reported on "as seen"

So much for keeping the Community informed or is it just those parts of the community that don't rock the boat?

Well done Jim for telling it as you saw.

It opened many peoples eyes to just what EA had failed to include which was pretty much a whole years worth of community feedback.

[Grim]

I'm with you boys 100% on this!

Come on BH, keep us admins informed first and foremost here!!! Please! Don't make us resort to have to fish the internet for bits and pieces of information.

[necrodoggy]

Sorry to hear that BH is turning out to be the petulant childish bastard I thought he was. Screw EA and screw this game, sorry Rude, you were a voice of reason with these arrogant clowns and they dissed you for it. That's the kind of reaction you would expect from a 4 year old.

[InfinityDevils]

It opened many peoples eyes to just what EA had failed to include which was pretty much a whole years worth of community feedback.

And that is REALLY sad to hear, BH comes to this fourm over a year ago and posts that he wants feedback and that the developers want feedback as to how Admins, players want the game to be. I thought wow, awesome a developer wanting to make a game the way gamers want it to be with their own twists added in, only to find out most of which was asked for is not even in the game. ( I now feel like my posts were well useless as well as everyone elses !) Now to find out that because it was criticized (rightly so I might add) and now this useful fourm is cut-off from information which comes directly from BH.....really disappointing :confused:

Sorry to hear that BH is turning out to be the petulant childish bastard I thought he was. Screw EA and screw this game, sorry Rude, you were a voice of reason with these arrogant clowns and they dissed you for it. That's the kind of reaction you would expect from a 4 year old.

Sure seems that way Necro doesn't it :(

Hope your team is doing well :)

[rudedog]

Sorry to hear that BH is turning out to be the petulant childish bastard I thought he was. Screw EA and screw this game, sorry Rude, you were a voice of reason with these arrogant clowns and they dissed you for it. That's the kind of reaction you would expect from a 4 year old.


That may bit a bit harsh, Necrodoggy, I have a feeling BH's hands are tied or I would hope so.

[InfinityDevils]

That may bit a bit harsh, Necrodoggy, I have a feeling BH's hands are tied or I would hope so.

I disagree there Rude, I believe Necro was speaking exactly what we all are thinking including myself and its painful to say but I believe its the truth.

Nobody likes to be dupped and damn if they didn't dupe us all again. There was a time when SP was the main focus of PC gamers but as with anything priorities change and SP is put on the backburner by us and MP is the current focus of PC gamers and why we buy the games. I can't believe developers haven't realized this yet especially with the top games being MP and NOT SP!

After reading what I have here and at other sites I have decided to cancel my pre-order of this game as well as posted privately in our fourms that all members are requested to cancel their pre-order as well, the reason being we will probabally not be playing this title based on my current knowledge of the MP game. I appalauded BH and EA when they asked for the communities help in creating the BEST game out there, and now I feel like I have egg on my face since doing so.

If the MP mode is not up to par with what is currently out there this game is doomed from the start and will not see the light of day in the gamespy "what are gamers playing" rankings. I have always been a fan of the MoH franchise, and up until this point had just about forgiven them for the PA disaster which my team and myself wasted money on. But I can't in my right mind suggest to any team member to purchase this game until after I have seen it and played it myself which will be hard to do since I cancelled my copy of it. The only way that will change is if they release a demo of the mp mode, which I doubt we will see since it seems like it is plagued with lots of missing things which in my opinion are necessities to run as well as play this title.

[Diva]

I can kinda see where he is coming from MOHAA great seriers even great expansion packs with Spearhead (my game of choice) then PA comes out total bomb, at least I thought with EA this go around they were going to go all out.

Blackhat having a forum on your site gave me hopes on a great game coming out but with all the reviews with lack of server support, lack of maps, lack of players in the server etc.... and.... lack of Ftp for autodownloads (come on now the mohaa community was working on this with a new version of forsight) ~~~~ hint hint EA listen to the people that support the seriers and spend their money on it.

Makes me wait a few days before I buy it and see what the general public has to say about the game first. If there is a limit to server size dont think so and the way I see it the lack of maps and game play type I can see the game dying out very fast and a new game loaded on my PC................

sorry to say but CoD4 is looking better for my clan at the moment.


not even one map on MP for the demo...............................:(

[necrodoggy]

It may well be harsh and even in some ways unwarranted but the simple truth of it is that I have a great deal of respect for you, Rude, because of the work you have done over the past several years. You've worked very hard to put out good support information for admins and have a done a lot of good work for the community.

I think that the utter lack of PC MP support that was evident at the MP summit was a very clear sign that none of the suggestions from this forum or any other forum was seriously looked at. I blame Blackhat directly for not getting that information across in a meaningful way. There's no way that his hands could have been so "tied" that nothing of what was put forth to the designers got through. That just smacks of incompetence.

My problem is not that there were bugs or that things weren't as polished as they could be, that's what a Beta test like the MP summit is supposed to be about. But to come in with an MP test that is in no way suitable for PC MP tells me that they either didn't listen to a word that BH told them or that BH failed miserably in getting our message across. I'm sorry but I have to believe that the designers at EA can't possibly be that stupid so the logical answer is that BH didn't get our message across.

I work in industry and manage multi-million dollar plant projects (yes, I have a real life outside of gaming). If I had failed as miserably as BH has in getting my customers needs addressed in my plant designs, I would be fired before I could say "oops, my bad".

I've said if before and I will say it again, Rude, you're good for the community I commend you on your efforts.

[rudedog]

Thanks again, Necrodoggy and believe me I understand.

I guess we can wait for the SP demo to see how the game plays, and then the full product when shipped in a little more then a month.

[bullet-worm]

I have told this to others but will re-iterate it here.

Airborne is living proof that there is still this mysterious disconnect between what PC gamers (especially server admins) are looking for in a game and what EA (and other developers) THINKS the PC gamers are looking for in a game.

The MP Summit looked like a bad thing from a public perspective, but it was the absolute BEST thing EA could have done. That small (but quite fun!) event probably removed an entire patch development cycle and you can only imagine the public's absolute fury if EA had released the game like we saw it at the event.

Personally, I could care less if they had made the MP Summit a 'media event' at all. They could have called it a closed, private beta that we could never speak publicly about, and I still would have been more than happy to go and provide the exact same feedback. I wasn't there to write an article... I was there to help the GAME.

I can also somewhat understand the aingst behind Rude's MP Summit information report. THE leader of THE dedicated server admin support and discussion site goes to a MP Summit only to find out that the only information that was planned on being discussed valid to his specific audience (PC Server Admins) was that a dedicated server was in the works and would be released at some future time AFTER the game was shipped. And that no features or abilities or anything about it could be confidently reported because nothing was truly set in stone.

I think that might have raised the hairs on my back a little too, and I hope EA and BlackHat can understand it when seen from that perspective.

worm

[rudedog]

Thanks Bullet,

However EA feels that I stabbed them in the back with my review, some of the other summit members think I should even apologizes for my comments and actions.

I gave EA and Blackhat great praise for what they did when Airborne was first announced. I trumpeted Blackhat for what he did when he first started and they deserved it.

I was then invited out to see the SP side of the game and could not go because of work (MajorWoody took over for me on those events). I even tried to stop by EA and see Blackhat while I was out in LA on business right before the MP summit, however at the last minute Blackhat could not spear any time, which was understandable.

At the MP summit, when I got to see what was shown, I was very disappointed as a customer and as someone who gave a lot to the franchise. Everyone keeps saying I took in personally, maybe. However I think I took it as someone who learned by their mistakes and could only report on what was shown. - I did mention everything what was told to us as promises.

From what I'm told, because of my actions, Blackhat will not take the time to frequent my site and answer our questions, sorry guys that was my fault and I apologizes to you MY MEMBERS and no one else.

For the other summit members, reread my review. I think I was very fair with the overall game. I stand by my review based on what we focus on here at FPSadmin...server sided stuff what did EA expect?

Sorry guys for taking this waaaay off topic.

[unholy_destroyer]

Apoligize for what i mean dog you represent a server admin site you got invited to the summit and basicly there was no server things for you too look at. (yeah the next day there was a dedicated server)

[BlackHat]

There's a lot of misconception happening in this thread. I'm not posting much here because I don't have answers that I can release to most of your questions, but all of that information is coming (as Jim and others have been told via email). When that information is available, I'll get it out to everyone, FPSadmin included. Jim's on my distribution list, and gets all the same info that other folks do. What I won't do - those of you who've had discussions with me know this - is get involved in He-said/He-said arguments. Jim can post what he wants in his reviews. It's absolutely his right to write what he wants, and in whatever tone he wants, especially on his own website! He frankly didn't post anything particularly unique from what anyone else posted about the event. Everyone who wrote about the event wrote the same issues in their articles, and everyone's being treated the same. BulletWorm did, Pete did, Matt did, After-Hourz did. I send out info as it becomes available. Those who choose to engage me further do so, and I respond in kind.

So you guys are welcome to get angry at me all you want, but I'm still chugging away at this game. Now, conventional wisdom would tell me that that's exactly what you'd want from me and the developers - to keep moving forward. That's just what we're doing. However, if you want to be angry at me, feel free. I don't entirely get it, but I'm not going to be offended by it, personally. I'm just going to keep on working toward my committments to this game and the community that surrounds it. With that said, I'm going to duck out of this thread because, as I said, I don't want to get into a big back-and-forth. Bickering isn't going to get anyone anywhere, and my primary concern is and has always been, as I already said, this game, and the community that surrounds it (including the admins).

[ButchCassidy]

I think we see where your coming from BH and I think we can all understand a reluctance to release information that you feel maybe incorrect or unfinished.

That said the game is finished and your pressing it out now so a little advanced Admin information even a week before you go retail would be very very welcome..

I thank you for your reply as we were beginning to feel a little abandoned over here..lol..I am sure Rude will also...Remember a huge amount of Airborne admins will be visiting this site in order to get their server set up correctly and they'll need all the help they can get especially as many will be used to Quake based Engine servers for games like MOHAA and COD..

[rudedog]

Thanks for stopping by Blackhat, we appreciate it.

As you know by the posts here, my members feel you could have stopped by after my reviews hit the streets and offered the same reassurance as you did other sites that seemed to delay their reviews of what we all saw. (Hint if you have not got it yet, that is what I take personally)

What gets me is, you've replied to a lot of server questions else where, why not here?

I also understand, you're angry at me for posting what I posted. I guess it was a mistake to invite the dedicated (no pun intended) server guy to the MP event EA hyped.

It was nice knowing you Blackhat as it already seems that, while I may be on the simply PR mailing lists, I've already been removed from some of the more detailed lists, shall we say. That's fine, as in my email to you we've gotten by without EA over the years, why change now.

Good luck to you and your team Blackhat, here's wishing you a great release and much success with Airborne :salute:

[BlackHat]

Thanks for stopping by Blackhat, we appreciate it.

As you know by the posts here, my members feel you could have stopped by after my reviews hit the streets and offered the same reassurance as you did other sites that seemed to delay their reviews of what we all saw. (Hint if you have not got it yet, that is what I take personally)

What gets me is, you've replied to a lot of server questions else where, why not here?

I also understand, you're angry at me for posting what I posted. I guess it was a mistake to invite the dedicated (no pun intended) server guy to the MP event EA hyped.

It was nice knowing you Blackhat as it already seems that, while I may be on the simply PR mailing lists, I've already been removed from some of the more detailed lists, shall we say. That's fine, as in my email to you we've gotten by without EA over the years, why change now.

Good luck to you and your team Blackhat, here's wishing you a great release and much success with Airborne :salute:

Jim - for you this may be a "us v them" type of world, but for me it's not. There's no adversarial nature here, at least not on my end. If you want there to be one, then that's your choice. It's not in my best interest, nor is it in anyone else's. It's counterproductive. None of you community guys are my enemies, and most of the other leaders don't try to prop me or EA up as their enemy. As I said, there's no "us v them" in any of this. My only request of you is that you please stop trying to make it about that. There are no bad guys here. What matters most in all of this is the game and the community. If you're still personally offended by something, that's yours to work out, and that burden shouldn't be borne be the community at large, which is WHY I've refrained from perpetuating this whole ordeal. If you continue to be offended, you can choose - make remarks about it in your news to make people think that I've somehow put in less than 150% for this community and this game, or you can email me about it, tell me what's wrong, and work it out. I've always invited people to email me. Hell, anyone in this thread who's offended can feel free to email me as well: BlackHat@ea.com. I've NEVER been opposed to discussion, but I won't get involved in bickering. I just won't.

[ButchCassidy]

Jim - for you this may be a "us v them" type of world, but for me it's not. There's no adversarial nature here, at least not on my end. If you want there to be one, then that's your choice. It's not in my best interest, nor is it in anyone else's. It's counterproductive. None of you community guys are my enemies, and most of the other leaders don't try to prop me or EA up as their enemy. As I said, there's no "us v them" in any of this. My only request of you is that you please stop trying to make it about that. There are no bad guys here.

You are correct there are NO bad guys here.
I think many misunderstand the passion some people feel for gaming and believe that when someone from outside the industry such as a plain ordinary gamer makes a critism it is to either malign the product or it's makers.

When in fact they see as clear as day mistakes within a product that others cannot.
To speak as you find and do it with truth and honesty is a very valuable commodity as I have often found that to be sycophantic only leads to a false sense of security in something that may ultimately be found wanting.

Airborne has huge potential and especially on the PC where it can be modded and adjusted by people like Bulletworm and others to extend the Life of the game way beyond the developers original intent.

The community wants and has indeed been requesting for the past year or so a game of true excellence to place the Medal of Honor series back on the WW2 FPS crown it lost to Call of Duty some years ago.

So much was expected by a patient community in the hopes that EA would deliver.
So for many the MP summit proved to be something of a let down with regards to the product as it was presented at that time.
Much was missing and much has been promised since.

I believe everyone wants to see this title succeed especially those in the MOH community and even more so the Admins who will be investing so much more than simply purchasing the game.

So "us v them" is not even a discussion worth getting into rather how can "we" help each other to make the game the long standing success which "we" all want to see happen.

communication=Information=support it's simple, effective and breeds success quicker than field full of rabbits.

[Diva]

I respect a honest review of the game, that is what we need as the general public buying the game and spending their money on. I have read all of them.

I really dont see the "us vs them" on here, I think BlackHat you should of posted on here as well as the other sites to inform us on what EA is doing about the fixes regardless of the review, negative or positive.

Everyone one posting concerns, questions et... are die hard MOHAA fans and want whats best for the community so we have a game that lasts as long as the original series.

What it comes down to is our questions, concerns addressed because we want to see the game succeed.

[Wolverine]

I have some things I would love to add but I will refrain.

I will say this. Always say what you mean and mean what you say. Don't change your story based on who you are talking to at the time. This is critical in ones efforts to deal with the public with any level of respect.

A little line to help anyone through life. "Always tell the truth. That way you never have to worry about remembering what you have said."


On the topic of server sizes I found the following on www.unrealtechnology.com

Client-server model supporting up to 64 players as provided. Also supports non-dedicated server (peer-to-peer mode) with up to 16 players.

If I understand what has been said thus far they are struggling to get the dedicated server to perform just at or above the advertised capability for the peer to peer server???

[BlackHat]

I think BlackHat you should of posted on here as well as the other sites to inform us on what EA is doing about the fixes regardless of the review, negative or positive.

In a perfect world, that'd be great. I'd go tell everyone at every fan site. I can devote a lot of my time to forums every day, but not all of it. That's why I have the community leaders on email lists. I've dozens of sites I'm in touch with, and the best way to get info out is to email those folks, and let them dissemenate the information down to their site visitors.

I've given what info I could on the situation to those email lists. Jim was aware of the same stuff as everyone else when the reviews went up, but he's told you himself that he doesn't want to believe it until he sees it. I can't do anything about that. He's concerned that telling you the same stuff other sites told their members (about the big three issues being addressed, the list being worked on, etc) might hurt his credibility in the long run. I can't do much about that at the moment, unfortunately. I absolutely understand his concern, but I HAVE sent that info out to everyone, posted it on a few boards, including the official ones (where I spend most of my time), and I've done what I could to make sure information is getting out in whatever form it can at the moment. The info available is out there, even if I didn't come post it here personally.

I'm sorry if my not posting it here offended anyone, but I'm just one man, and as we near ship, I cannot spend the amount of time on as many message boards as I used to. Hopefully that will be different post-ship, when everything's just "out there." :) As I told Butch on another site, Ded Server info IS coming, and I'll get it out as soon as I can. However, I first want to get everything together, so that hopefully I can release screens, readme's, and lists of options available to admins all at once. And I see no reason why you wouldn't have that BEFORE you even have the software, so relaaaaaaaaax, please :)

- BH

[BlackHat]

"Always tell the truth. That way you never have to worry about remembering what you have said."

Truth IS paramount. I actually have a tattoo that SAYS Truth. However, one must always be vigilant not to let waters of truth be muddied by emotion. ;)

[rudedog]

Thanks Blackhat.

Everyone should note that BH is attending the gaming event in Germany and may not be around much over the next couple days, if not more. And seeing as I assume he is flying out of LAX, he may be gone longer then he expects....

Have a safe flight BH, here to looking forward to the SP release and a safe return. :salute:

Man how I don't envy you flying international from LAX......

[MajorWoody]

From what I'm told, because of my actions, Blackhat will not take the time to frequent my site and answer our questions, sorry guys that was my fault and I apologizes to you MY MEMBERS and no one else.
That's pretty petty and doesn't seem at all like Blackhat. If he wanted first glance at reviews, he should have asked for them (and got it in writing). Also, given the events at the MP summit -- was he expecting a glowing review?

If one bad review is enough to scare Blackhat off, he needs to grow thicker skin. This is just one review out of HUNDREDS that will be written. Airborne is their baby and no one likes to have their hard work criticized. My bet is they will take all the feedback (perhaps grudgingly) and work their tails off to patch it to be the game they expect it to be.

If Blackhat's reading this or not, i don't know. But i will tell you that i'm a server admin first and foremost and will do my darnedest to make sure that everyone who asks for help setting up their servers will get support here -- with or without EA.

end rant ... :salute:

[InfinityDevils]

To be very blunt and to the point, I have read and re-read Rude's report and find absolutely nothing wrong with it because he was speaking the truth, and as a multi-server admin thats what I want, and thats what I can find here unlike some other sites that don't report the truth only here-say. If I want to read about all the bells and whistles in a game I can go elsewhere to find that info, but what I come here for is how to setup a dedicated server for this game nothing more. If any FPS game cannot support a minimum of 24 players or more it will not suceed, its a proven fact. I am not new to gaming and have always been a MoH franchise supporter even after the PA debacle. It was a sad day for the MoH franchise and dissapointing day for gamers wanting to play and enjoy another game from the beloved MoH franchise and we do not want to see another one plain and simple EVER.

You may not agree with me but I feel as though EA and the MoH franchise owe us all something after wasting money on PA, maybe I am a bit cynical but you need to understand that when I say yes to my 40 man team its their money as well as mine if its wasted on a game that we will never come to play or compete at and I don't want to go through what we went through with PA.

I am glad to see BH that you are man enough to come back here because in doing what was done to Rude, left a very bitter taste in my mouth and I said "here we go again" and that is not what I wanted to be saying since day one of your origional post. I gave kudos to you and EA on our teams fourms for what you did more than a year ago posting here and I thought WOW they know they screwed up (some developers can't and won't admit that sadly) and they are trying to rectify it. Thats what all developers of games should do damit! So I reminded myself of a line I remember reading " Forgiving is not forgetting, it is remembering and letting go." and looked forward to Medal Of Honor : Airborne with that in mind.

Now after playing the SP demo for at least 10 times let me say I enjoyed it...it took very little to get used to and the only thing I did not like was that while sighted you could not move forward or backwards. I don't know if that could be changed or not in the final product but I think it should be. I only hope the MP version is as close to the single player as possible and can and will support minimum 24 players.


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