COD:2 Anti-Cheat Solution Required.

[MAJ.BRUNO]

I'll start this poll by asking the cod2 community to stop and think what you could do to make this game better. Forget IW, and for the most part forget PB.

Every clean player, and clan in the free world would love to play online, without the worries that come with it. No solution will be 100% all the time, but as of now we rely on a company that doesn't care, and an anti-cheat solution that's either behind or limited in their abilities. I'll start with trust, pb is limited in what they can do, as a community we could do more, because clean players would be willing to download an anti-cheat solution that can go beyond pb, because it would be endorsed by the community you trust. You as admins and players come here, because you are looking for answers. We provide them for you, now i ask would you be willing to contribute to a solution. I'm not asking for money. I'm asking for:

Website and Clan: participation
AntiCheat organizations: actively involved
Modders: Coding and testing
VB and or C++ coders


I'm willing to provide a domain, hosting and a very hefty cash reward for a final solution, as well as what i have stated above. In a perfect solution we could get punksbusted.com to endorse, and gain the help from orangepeel as well as many other trusted members of the community to be actively involved.

Time to stop waiting for IW, they don't care. Cheaters are willing to pay for cheats, are you willing to contribute your time to stop them?

[Wolverine]

There is a good anticheat out there called DMW. One thing DMW has taught us is that people dont want to have to mess around to get AC working, they just want it to work. These are not necessarily cheaters either, just lazy people.

Put an AC on your server that requires any kind of seperate download and or account creation by the player and watch your traffic go poof.

Not trying to discourage what you are doing but if you really want to do something make it to where the client auto downloads your AC from the server and have it just work with no user intervention.

[rudedog]

FYI posted on front page and pointed them back here.

[rudedog]

There is a good anticheat out there called DMW. One thing DMW has taught us is that people dont want to have to mess around to get AC working, they just want it to work. These are not necessarily cheaters either, just lazy people.

Put an AC on your server that requires any kind of seperate download and or account creation by the player and watch your traffic go poof.

Not trying to discourage what you are doing but if you really want to do something make it to where the client auto downloads your AC from the server and have it just work with no user intervention.

That's exactly the issue right now, you can't get your clients to download the client side.

It would be nice to see anti cheat incorporated into custom maps. People will download custom maps. make is so it's easy for the admin to add this client sided patch (if needed) to maps and everyone will download it/them.

[InfinityDevils]

That's exactly the issue right now, you can't get your clients to download the client side.

It would be nice to see anti cheat incorporated into custom maps. People will download custom maps. make is so it's easy for the admin to add this client sided patch (if needed) to maps and everyone will download it/them.

I'm not quite sure if I get what your saying rudedog ? Are you saying that the anti-cheat be made into the custom map ? Please explain....

I know I would be willing to pay a reasonable monthly fee to be able to play and compete someplace that is cheat-free, but it better be cheat-free for me to do that. I mean right now games like WoW that charge a monthly fee to play, why not FPS games ? Am I the only one out there that would pay some type of fee ?

Anyways my hats off to you Bruno if you can get anything going.....I can only hope, and would be willing to help any way possible.

[MAJ.BRUNO]

The biggest problem with a solution is people, need to be ready to do something about it. When a patch comes out or pb is updated, you have some very talented coders making cheats that are not detected. On our end we have punksbusted.com that thinks auto-mbl is enough, just wait:

250.00 a month on one dedicated game server: or on average 40$ a month on a server, i guess it's ok to pay that when cheats can run without detection. Basically being told that maybe next month your money will be well spent, however cheats are updated within hours, all off the basic principles that have been exploited since the first cod. What i'm asking people to do is stop bitching about the problems, and find people that can help! Think of an average of how much time you spend in a 30 day period, trying to catch a cheat on one of your servers, if you spent half that time trying to find someone to make things better, this process would already be done. Stop thinking that present day solutions are the answer, you will always be second if you rely on what's available.

You ask any one who makes cheats, if they rely on what's already been made. The answer is no without needing to ask. They are willing to do anything to play on your "secure" servers with cheats. What i have seen so far from many of the more respected names in the anti-cheat community is horse sh*%! You have two choices if you want to be ahead of the game:

Build up from what's available now, or think harder about what could be done, individuals that code cheats don'y have a problem thinking, but i believe many on the anti-cheat side have a problem with this, and that's why we are losing a battle to ignorance.

[Warlorduk]

Well i use DMW and i always will and pb sucks horse shit in my opinion if your too lazy to download a client as when you by COD 2 you automatically install punkbuster for it so i dont see the difference

if people clubbed together and said right we want dmw and put it set to kick on thier server and all thier clan members used it and the gfollowing clan did the same and so on then the minority would have to download it to play it no questions asked and then we all go cheat free gaming

my bitching over and out

[rudedog]

Well i use DMW and i always will and pb sucks horse shit in my opinion if your too lazy to download a client as when you by COD 2 you automatically install punkbuster for it so i dont see the difference

if people clubbed together and said right we want dmw and put it set to kick on thier server and all thier clan members used it and the gfollowing clan did the same and so on then the minority would have to download it to play it no questions asked and then we all go cheat free gaming

my bitching over and out

hehe tell us how you really feel about PB Warlorduk ;)

What I mean is, if there was a simply way to include the client side code via custom maps or make each map on your server some type of anti cheat your clients would download it.

Then again why not simply make the anti cheat a mandatory download, the problem is pk3/iwd files do not have permission to do anything outside the cod dir.

Granted, the server admin would have to adds said code to their custom content(maps)

For some reason people will not download a client but will download a ton of crappy maps (no offence to any map makers out there)

[MAJ.BRUNO]

That's exactly what i'm looking at, as far as one option. I'm just asking that punksbusted.com and DMW, and others that can contribute to work together on a solution. So far it looks like a deathmatch.

[MajorWoody]

It's been said, and i agree that it needs to be built into the game somehow. If not, it's useless unless your playing in a league where it can be enforced.

Punkbuster is not very thorough, which is why i rely on Punksbusted to provide what's left. They've done an excellent job over the years and anything they endorse is good for me.

[Murder-lps]

force client downloads! that would solve the problem if the people dont want the file after the download was forced then fine they dont get to play there. simple as that. Force client dvars would be probally the best way to build this anyway if you are wanting to put inside a iwd file. all we would need to do is find the functions that the hacks use and set them forced off in the servers. Ive seen a few mods that forced dvars off and checked it every few seconds to make sure they were off then if it found they were on it automaticly turned them off. This can be done without activision Mani put out his own anti-cheat in CS:S while everyone was waiting of VAC2 and it worked really good. of course CS:S is a lot easier to mod then cod but still this can be done.

Let me know if anything is needed i will be glad to conribute anyway i can wiether it be hosting test servers, testing mods. helping code the mods to make this work anything it takes to make this game fun again!


Josh - |m u r d e r|
jhyatt@lowpingservers.net
http://www.lowpingservers.net

[holback]

It's been said, and i agree that it needs to be built into the game somehow. If not, it's useless unless your playing in a league where it can be enforced.

Punkbuster is not very thorough, which is why i rely on Punksbusted to provide what's left. They've done an excellent job over the years and anything they endorse is good for me.
+1

Good luck trying to get people to download an additional program just to get on your server. We have enough people that will noy turn auto-downloads on and even get a new map to get on. When un-knowing people run down to Walmart to buy a new game they would have no idea that they have to download something extra just to play the game on multiplayer. Sounds like some of you are assuming everyone knows all the tech aspects of this game. If it isn't loaded out of the box, most noobs will never figure it out and give up on the game. One big reason cod2 lost alot of players when 1.2 was released...they didn't know about the patch. IMO IW has ruined CoD2 from the start anyway releasing the POS it was when it came out. Even the 1.3 patch has given us a new version of harbor with major exploits in it. You guys are trying to get a better AC....I'm fine with PB and PsB...I just want IW to build a decent game for a change.

[DrDuKeS]

Ok so we can all agree that IW released an inferior product. We can all agree that Punkbuster just doesn't cut it. We all know that the majority of people are too damn lazy to install/register for anything extra.

Now let me ask you this;

Are YOU willing to install/register for DMW?

At this point I would be willing to go out and buy a webcam and have it pointed at my screen while I play if it helped at all.

People say it'll never work. We'd be wasting our time. Right, these are the same people that said the big server strike wouldn't get anyone's attention... Who was wrong on that one?

[Wolfster66]

While I agree a better solution to cheating is needed for cod2 we as honest people who pay for dedicated server boxes and servers have a bigger problem.It was mentioned somewhere here (I forget where now) that possibly 48-100,000 copys of cod2 were downloaded from bit torrents which was ok for cod2 1.0 I mean most all of us that have servers had tons of people in them all the time.Most of you will agree that when the patches came your server populations dropped to nothing as did mine.I have even had some clans I rent servers to ask me to roll there game servers back to 1.0 like the IW guys did.

Now those playing 1.0 dont care about playing cheat free because they never bought the game in the first place and if you look on elitecoders.org there are new free cheats available almost every day.Of course those who visit here would certainly support a monthly fee,downloading client side of a wicked cool ac proggy in order to have clean servers and fair play for all but the issue is this,IW has single handidly destroyed what was once an excellent gaming community full of people who loved call of duty and who enjoyed making gameplay better for everyone.Why does it have to be up to us to do IW and PB's job for them and get back the community we once had? how much time,effort and money is it going to require from what little clean community players this game has left to bring this POS back from the abyss?

Time to ask yourselves,is it really worth the effort? My server box with 6 cod2 servers on it and no players says it isnt worth the hassle anymore.

[holback]

I have three servers up, cod2, UO and Battlefield Vietnam. Gues which one is getting the most traffic this week.....

Battlefield Vietnam

Good question, may not be worth it. IW isn't worried about PC games anymore, too easy to copy and hack. Console games is about all they care about now.

I am completely unhappy with IW and Activision for destroying what they had built with our help. :rolleyes:

[Warlorduk]

Ok so we can all agree that IW released an inferior product. We can all agree that Punkbuster just doesn't cut it. We all know that the majority of people are too damn lazy to install/register for anything extra.

Now let me ask you this;

Are YOU willing to install/register for DMW?

At this point I would be willing to go out and buy a webcam and have it pointed at my screen while I play if it helped at all.

People say it'll never work. We'd be wasting our time. Right, these are the same people that said the big server strike wouldn't get anyone's attention... Who was wrong on that one?


well here in europe 90% of us use DMW its for piece of mind knowing we wont get hacked to bollox unlike pb that allows ya to have cham skins ect lol god you might as well use crowkings autokick that use pb

Come on people get a grip you either want a cheat free gaming enviroment or you dont

[crashlos]

IMO IW has ruined CoD2 from the start anyway releasing the POS it was when it came out. Even the 1.3 patch has given us a new version of harbor with major exploits in it. You guys are trying to get a better AC....I'm fine with PB and PsB...I just want IW to build a decent game for a change.

I think one of the biggest problems with IW is that they dont support linux!! I believe that at least 65% of the servers out there are running linux for its stability, unlike microsoft. I for one use linux and it has been taking at least 3 weeks for the patches to come out for it. Here i sit again waiting as the windows servers are working, sigh. And again my servers are empty!!!

[Dirtynap]

What is need is a method of scanning the client via the server.

I believe tataki does that now howbver it is not automated and requires amin to initiate the scan. I maybe wrong there I have never used it but i played on servers running and they seem very clean and lag free.

I know very little about how stuff liek this works or could work, but some form of scan must be possible through a small download. The problem is scanning anything without the users permission is not real good form.

[Heidrich]

You have big pros and bigs cons to it, but i think steam is doing a good job. I play MoHaa (again now most cheaters moved on), CoD 1/2/UO, RO and DoDs. Lately mostly RO just because of steam and VAC.

If you want a cheat free community you must design a Custom Steam. Through this custom steam players can:

1) Find servers
2) Download patch (best is forced, so everyone has to download them. Big plus is you can design your own patch if IW totally drops support for CoD 2)
3) Anti-Cheat
4) Map or mappacks (best is forced)

This custom steam could support MoHAA and CoD 2 right from the start, because both games have a history of not being supported (hmmm was IW not 2015, history repeats?) Players do have to download this custom steam yes and register yes, but it's one time only. Look at how many players out there have steam on there pc, people do download! If you, as player, have this installed it will update itself in all sections (Custom Steam, maps, patches, etc.)

Ow and the name: Heat (hahaha lol )